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Small Business Bestie
25: Empowering Women Through Fashion and PR with Pamula Honchell
Discover the art of balancing multiple business ventures with our special guest, Pamula Honchell, as she unveils the secrets behind her dual success with Monarch Promotions and Fashionable Measures. Through her unique approach to community involvement and strategic partnerships, Pamula redefines how advertising and PR can align with social causes for impactful messaging. Her insights into the world of professional wardrobe styling reveal the power of personalized fashion consultations, guiding clients to embrace their distinct style with confidence, especially during transformative life phases.
Listeners will gain practical advice on how to effectively communicate diverse business roles and the importance of maintaining a clear brand identity across different networking platforms. Hear firsthand the challenges and triumphs of managing two businesses under one umbrella while leveraging distinct DBAs for streamlined operations. Pamula shares her strategies for achieving cohesiveness in business messaging, ensuring that each venture complements the other in reaching a broader audience.
The conversation takes a poignant turn as we delve into personal growth through life coaching, with insights from Carrie Gabrielson, a life coach specializing in women's transitions. Learn how supportive relationships and tailored coaching can elevate personal and professional journeys, as Michelle Smock shares her own experiences alongside Pamula's entrepreneurial wisdom. Together, they celebrate the empowering force of women's entrepreneurship, offering listeners a trove of resources and inspiration to fuel their own ventures.
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Welcome to the Small Business Bestie podcast. I'm your host, michelle. We are creating community and coaching women entrepreneurs, and we are so glad that you're here. Let's meet this week's Small Business Bestie. Let's meet this week's small business bestie Today. I have Pamela Honchel with Monarch Promotions and Fashionable Measures, and I'm so excited to talk to you. I think you are my first dual entrepreneur that I can think of, and if not, then I'm sorry to whoever, but I'm really excited to talk to you about the two businesses that you own and operate and find out more about what's that been like for you. So if you would just take a moment and tell us about what you do, Well, first of all, michelle, thank you so much.
Speaker 2:This is my very first time being on a podcast, so I'm uber excited to get to hang out with you and just be a part of your journey. So I own Monarch Promotion, which is an advertising marketing PR firm, and I own Fashionable Measures, which is as a professional wardrobe stylist. And I might want to mention that Monarch Promotion is over 20 years old and then Fashionable Measures is coming up on the 13th birthday.
Speaker 1:Wow, Congratulations Well thank you. That's incredible and also unbelievable. There's no way that you have businesses that old, because you look barely a day over 20.
Speaker 2:Well, I knew I was madly in love with you for some reason darling Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Awesome. So 20 years with Monarch Promotions and it's an advertising PR company. And I just will be honest, I'm not exactly sure what an advertising PR company does. So can we dive into that just a little to clear up the confusion there.
Speaker 2:Yes, and thank you for that, because a lot of people when they think of a advertising or marketing firm, they automatically assume, oh, that's social media and I already have that covered. So what makes me different than that is an advertising, marketing, pr firm. So I put all of your eggs in one basket. I create, depending on your budget and your goals. I create an advertising package so that may look like some radio plus print plus, you know, tv. I put together the package with your budget that will reach bullseye, the goals that you have for your business and you know client retention, etc. So most people already have a social media person and that's not my specialty.
Speaker 2:My specialty as an advertising firm is extremely creative ideas to brand you as the expert in your field. Ideas to brand you as the expert in your field and providing the highest return on investment possible on the budget that you have, even if it's 500 a month. I've had clients that small so I incorporate PR into that, because most of my clients and I know you are like this as well we love supporting our community. So I create branding and PR ideas to align your business with a non-profit through an event or something which creates free PR for you. So then I'm going to set up radio or TV interviews or a story in print or something about you and your collaboration with a nonprofit which you're helping that nonprofit that is closest to your heart and you're also growing your business and branding yourself not only as the expert but as a community involved person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's wonderful. I've had so many ideas of different nonprofits over the two years of being kind of out and about in the community in Lexington of places that I want to be able to try to help and encourage and support and then I find that like I'm so busy I never actually take the time to make that connection. Or you know the legwork of trying to align yourself with them and get in touch with the right people and create that alignment. So I think that would be such a helpful service to have someone who's kind of doing that for you and putting in the legwork and you know the upfront work to kind of get you in the door and allow you to create that movement and support for that organization. That's really cool. I did not know that you did that.
Speaker 2:Yes, I know One of the challenges of being a dual business owner is at networking events etc. You don't want to be too wordy, you want your message, but you want to be appreciative of everyone's time when they actually ask what do you do? So I have to choose one or the other. So a lot of times when people see me out and about or on social media or whatever, they either put me in one or two categories either as a professional wardrobe stylist or as a branding PR expert. And so I do want to say one other thing about my monarch promotion is, if you most companies already have a social media person, so your social media person as a business owner and an advertising marketing PR firm, they will work side by side. So that gives you more power because they become a team, and so the message is the same throughout.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it really can be very fruitful for a business to have both of those and you know within their realm of trying to reach their goals for their business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I have no actual statistics here so I'm going to make it up right now. But, like you know, you would say probably 80 to 90 percent of people driving around Lexington right now have some form of social media, whether it's Facebook or Instagram or TikTok or whatever. And so if you were able to reach them by, say, having print media, and so if you were able to reach them by, say, having print media being on the radio, being on television they say it takes eight times of being in somebody's ear before they're actually going to react to your message Is that the right number?
Speaker 2:National statistics and I always say that wrong name wrong because I'm a Kentucky girl is they have to see or hear your message three times to respond. Now those numbers may have changed with all of the noise, all of the different opportunities and social media platforms. Yeah, but I always say it's interesting how you worded it. I always say it like do you only pay your light bill and not your phone bill? You know you want to be everywhere that you can, right, and everyone's concerned about a budget and a lot of people have the I don't know I don't like to use negative words the fear or concern.
Speaker 2:Wow, that ad agency. Well, that's going to cost me a lot of money and in my case, because I love especially supporting female business owners and watching and being a part of the growth of an opening beginning business, no budget is too small. If you have, like I said, $500, okay, I've allotted for three months. I have $500. And I'm already doing this on social media. Oh my gosh, is there any possible way that $500 a month, consistently for three months, would net me any possible customers, clients, return on investment and, depending on your business, the answer is usually yes.
Speaker 1:That's great, I love it. So we've alluded to the second business. We haven't talked much about it, but I want to jump on that really quick, because that is actually when you and I met at a networking event. You told me about your other business and that's how I came to know you, and it was you know I don't know a few times of hearing about you or being exposed to you that I realized you even had a second business. So let's hear about fashionable measures.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, and that was one of the best days of my life. Your smile is so contagious and I always love when you're at an event because your smile, when you walk in, your smile just lights the room and she's not paying me folks, so fashionable measures. I'm a professional wardrobe, so I guess the easiest way to kind of explain that is we watch a lot of TVs movies, music videos and we watch reality TV and a lot of us ladies watch the reality TVs like the Real Housewives, because what are they wearing? And oh, I love her style and I love. But we don't comprehend. They have a professional wardrobe stylist that meets with them, shops with them, does their closet, prepares what they're wearing for different episodes or whatever. So in Lexington most people aren't on TV on a regular basis.
Speaker 2:I've done quite a few male weathermen and news anchors in town, of course. So I get the privilege and the honor of working one-on-one with ladies who are just so perplexed about their body type. And why is it? They go shopping and they'll take 20 things in a dressing room and they leave with nothing because nothing they felt has brought out anything to make them feel confident, or in their closets they're constantly like wearing the same thing because they'll put something on and oh, that doesn't work and it's just complicated. We're all so busy. So what I do is I work with ladies depending on one or two ways, and sometimes we just do it all, but either what I call a closet edit.
Speaker 2:So I come into your wardrobe and we go through things. I have you try on things, I help you to determine what stays and what goes, and by the time we're done with that, you learn so much about your body type that it helps you to look at your wardrobe as if you just, you know, went to Macy's and went on a shopping spree because everything's new to you. I combine things, I put together what's called grab and go outfits. So let's say, you're in your jeans or whatever, running around with the kids all day. Somebody texts and goes oh my gosh, there's a huge event tonight and I have a ticket. Can you join me? And you're like freaking out trying to figure out what to wear. Well, I have something in your wardrobe already grab and go for those occasions Dinner with the ladies, if you have a speaking engagement. So we have all those put together, so they're grab and goes.
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh, I need that in my life so much, because there really are so many times where someone will, you know, they'll have their plus one figured out and they cancel last minute and they'll say, oh, can anyone attend with me? You know, different networking events and things like that, and it's always the case that I'm like I could go, but what would I wear? Yeah, so that would be really handy. Okay, so you do a closet edit and that sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Also, because I'm kind of a pack rat when it comes to clothes and I tend to hold on to things that, if we're being truthful, I'm never going to wear again. I didn't like the way it fit me after I wore it a time or two, but I always feel like I might need it. You know, I might have an occasion that if I put it with the right belt, it might look different, you know. And so I hold on to things that I know I shouldn't have in my closet. So that sounds really helpful, though, to have somebody who could be like the voice of reason to say get that out of here, you know, let's make space for something better.
Speaker 2:Well, when I arrive, and sometimes on the phone call during the appointment, well, typically when I arrive, I'll say, ok, I can be the wardrobe Nazi today, or I can, you know. So I let them choose which level. Yeah, and I love it. And the ladies a lot of times say, oh, be the wardrobe Nazi, that's what I need. And we just have so much fun when we look at it that way. And I'll be happy, if you have time before I leave today, just to do a run through of your closet and just give you a few quick pointers. I'd love to do that in exchange for your brilliant kindness to allow me to be a part of your podcast.
Speaker 1:Oh well, I'm not going to tell you now. Okay, so you do the closet edit. What are the other?
Speaker 2:services that you offer through. Why did I just go completely fashionable measures. I'm human too.
Speaker 1:I forget things all the time in, you know, trying to live in two different worlds, right, like you're trying to live in, you know, and I have a lot of empathy for what you experienced and I haven't been doing it, you know, nearly as long. But even after just a few months of having kind of a separate brand for Small Business Bestie, as like podcast and coaching, I feel like am I the coach, you know? Am I Small Business Bestie today or am I the owner of Cultivate Accounting? You know, my small business bestie today or am I the owner of cultivate accounting? You know, and trying to always kind of, which role am I filling right now? You know it can be exhausting. I can't imagine how you feel after doing it.
Speaker 2:You said fashionable measures is 13, almost yeah, so my goodness, yeah, and you know which hat do I wear today? Yeah, and a lot of times I'll have a meeting like the Kentucky Castle is one of my clients, so I'll have a meeting. Like the Kentucky Castles one of my clients, so I'll have a meeting with them about PR or advertising. Then I'll leave there and I'll have a closet edit. Then I'll leave there and I have to meet someone at Macy's or wherever we're shopping, and then evening I'll have a networking event for Monarch Prom promotion. So I mean, it's challenging, but to get to your question, dear. So the other part that I do is, if you need shopping like you need to incorporate, like I just need a whole new everything. I want a whole new look. I've lost weight, I've gained weight, I've gone through a divorce, I've lost a loved one so many things.
Speaker 2:We just feel differently about our body types and our body types change as we get older too. Yeah, you'd be surprised within one year how your body type, can, size, can change and you have the same habits. So, anywho, sorry for digressing on that, but what I do is a lot of my clients I've never met in person. They contact me, I get all the pertinent information, sizes, etc.
Speaker 2:Budget and then I determine okay, the best place to shop for this particular client is and I choose a store, we choose a time and a date, so I get there an hour before you and when you arrive you just walk straight into the dressing room. Everything is laid out and prepared specifically for you. Your body type, your size, your lifestyle to accentuate are positive, therefore negative just dissipates into thin air and goes away. And then you just do a little fashion show and try things on and you determine. You know what you want to incorporate and from that but it's a very learning experience you learn so much about your body type, so many things, and you will shop completely different after that instead of taking 20 things in a dressing room, because I teach you about your body type and I teach you about fit and I teach you about colors and trends and all of that.
Speaker 2:So when you go in a store and you're like, oh, I've got five minutes to run in here and I do want to go to that event tonight and I just don't know what I have, then you can go directly. Boom, when you're looking at the dresses, you know your body type, you know your color scheme and you know what's going to flatter and fit you to where you feel like a rock star when you walk into that event.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that so much, I know. You know, when you and I met we met because, well, I can't remember where we actually met, but soon after that I did a shopping experience with you and there were so many things about it that blew my mind Number one that you could find things that actually made me feel like me, because that was something that I was facing. You know, we had just moved here. I was changing careers, I was moving to a new place, all of these things in my life were changing and I had just gotten into like a really frumpy, you know, like yoga pants and t-shirts and you know, like that's kind of what I lived in. And so working with you, like helping me to find clothes that I felt beautiful in, that I felt confident in. You know, I I think it's in episode number two or three with Carmen Siguenza.
Speaker 1:I shouted you out in that episode because we were talking about you know how do you like find a way to feel confident enough to go to networking events, to put yourself out there as a new business owner, and I was like I'll tell you how you go, have a session with Pamela because she is going to help you.
Speaker 1:You know, find that part of you that feels beautiful and confident and you know, to know that I'm wearing the right color and the right shape for my body style and all of that like I really did experience that after working with you. So in the second thing that I learned is that consignment stores are a jewel, because I had no idea. We went to Stephen Lawrence that day had no idea that they existed and I definitely, like I never would have walked in there. I didn't know they were there. I've driven by it, you know, many times going to coffee times, but I never would have walked in and it is a treasure trove of amazing items for really good prices. So that was like the second part, just a bonus to like know now that that resource exists. So thank you for your help back then.
Speaker 2:Well, you know you had a great sense of your style and who you were, but you had lost it in the transition of the move. So what I do is I help you find, like you know, that is it a movie, stella got her groove, yeah, stella got her groove back, or whatever. That is it a movie, stella Got Her Groove Back, or whatever. That's kind of what I do.
Speaker 2:I find your inner style spirit and it's all different, and everyone that knows you knows that you do know your body type and you do carry yourself very well, but you have a very unique like I love your hair, I love the jewelry and accessories that you incorporate and you really know how to keep it simple and I don't know if I helped with that or not, but how to keep it simple. Like I love how you pair a cool T-shirt with a jacket and then you've got your dark denim jeans on, so you look dressed up but then you stand out a little because you've got your own little pizzazz. You know, yeah, other people wouldn't have thought to do that.
Speaker 1:It was something that you told me in our session. You said, as long as you've got dark denim jeans and a blazer, you can do anything. You can dress it up, you can dress it down, you know you can. You put a tennis shoe with it, and now you're casual. You put heels with it, now you it, and now you're casual. You put heels with it, now you're dressy, and I have lived by that. You know that, literally, I was useful.
Speaker 1:Yes, like every time I'm getting ready to go, because, you know, my days are kind of like yours, where it's like, you know, I'm doing coffee in the morning and then I've got a meeting with a client, and then there's a networking lunch and then there's an event after hours, and so you need your outfit to have that longevity to go from coffee to after hours. And I feel like, for me, that staple of the jeans and a blazer and, depending on how feisty I'm feeling that day, maybe it's a t-shirt, maybe it's a blouse, I don't know, but that really does it. It lives throughout the day, no matter what I'm doing, and I never would have thought to put I wouldn't have been brave enough. It isn't that I wouldn't have thought of it. I would have thought of it and immediately dismissed it. You know like, oh, I'm not fashionable enough for that. Oh, you know, that's too too much for me.
Speaker 1:But working with you gave me that confidence to say no, I do get to dress the way I want to dress and be. You know the person that I want to be. So, yeah, it's really fun to work with Pamela. If any of you guys are in Lexington area you haven't worked with her yet, for sure look her up. It's so much fun and it really is worth the value because you know you'll continue to use those principles that she'll teach you as you guys work together. So, okay, I'll stop bragging on you now.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know I'm kind of getting a big head over here. Might not be able to fit out the door.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know, before we started recording we were talking about that. You know there are those challenges of owning two businesses and all of that We've talked a little bit about kind of I don't know your messaging when you're out and about like, who are you? Are you with Monarch Productions? Are you with Fashionable Measures? So one of the things I was curious about because sometimes I like to dig into this side of things, being the small business bestie, I'm a big dork about like business structures and how you choose to structure your businesses and why. So I'm curious are both of your businesses under one like umbrella business, and they're both like DBAs or doing business as, or are they two separate entities?
Speaker 2:Well, they're doing business as Okay, and the way I guess have always looked at that is through image consulting. So in advertising and branding and PR, your image is very important, so not only the image of your business, but how you portray yourself professionally. Yeah, so that's what I call it, I guess, as added to the umbrella, as advertising, marketing, pr and image consulting. I see, so that's how I add it to the umbrella, uh-huh, and so you know, I may have a political candidate that just hires me for PR and image because they're speaking and all of that. And then I may have a business that, as I set up PR opportunities for them to be on TV, then they are nervous about how am I going to look.
Speaker 2:So I teach and train on how to do right use and what colors to wear, and all of that so awesome.
Speaker 1:So I know that, like in Kentucky, it's much different than where I came from, in Oklahoma as far as, like what, all of the filings and all of that. So I was wondering, specifically because, like, it's difficult enough to have one LLC in the state of Kentucky, and I was just wondering, like, did you choose to do a second one? Because that sounds crazy to me, unless you just have to. But that was the same choice that I made. Also, though, that small business bestie would just be a DBA under my existing LLC. So that's the route you went as well, then.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it just naturally like happened? I wasn't looking to even start fashionable measures. I had the expertise and the training for all of that. It wasn't in my wheelhouse and it came about very organically and naturally and it just fit that I just, yeah, image consulting with that brand that I do so are there any other challenges that you can think of specifically, other than you know, like who are you from hour to hour and who are you representing?
Speaker 1:that would be primarily because of having two separate brands or two separate businesses.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think the most challenging thing for me is at networking events. I think I may have touched on this earlier is you know, everyone wants to know what you do. And even with social media and the small business bestie, which is phenomenal and thank you for all the time and energy put into that You've helped more women than you will ever know. But, okay, when you say, make post about what you do, okay, well, I'm. You know, the most important thing that I have learned through over 20 years of business and networking is you keep your message simple. When you're at networking events. They don't want an entire conversation with 10 paragraphs about you and what you do and your accomplishments. They basically want to know, okay, what is your expertise? You know, so we can network and utilize one another. And so it is challenging sometimes at different events. Okay, let me kind of get a feel for the room. Do I want to say, oh, I'm a professional wardrobe stylist? Or do I want to say, oh, I do branding and PR? Yeah, it's a little challenging because I like keeping things short and sweet and I don't like taking a lot of people's times with using too many words, although I feel like I've used a lot of words today. They're all great words. So, yeah, it's hard enough to run one business in today's economy, but on top of that, you know we are female, so there's so many more expectations upon us within our families and our children and all of that.
Speaker 2:So when I'm doing a pep talk to myself, or if any other female owned businesses reach out to me that are discouraged or want to quit or give up, is I just do something similar to what I do in their wardrobe I accentuate the positive.
Speaker 2:And so, within my own thought pattern, I will say what are these negative thoughts that are making me feel unworthy today?
Speaker 2:And once I capture those, then I say well, what are the positives?
Speaker 2:And if you do that and you're not being braggy and you're not being prideful, because when you have your tribe you know who you can confidently speak to in that era or even yourself and you will find there are so many more positives yeah, they far outweigh any negative of you having a bad day or someone disrespecting you or someone maybe offending you and I hate to use the word offend, but I guess what I mean by that is maybe you had 10 sales calls that day and you feel beat up at the end of the day and our first thought pattern is to go to all the negative. Well, I should have done this and I should have been more like that, and maybe I even should have wore different shoes. You know, what we need to do when we leave those being told no a few times is to not take it inward. We leave those being told no a few times is to not take it inward. This is how I've succeeded and not lost my mind, with running two businesses for so many years.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:As I take a deep breath and I think about oh okay, well, next time. One thing that I know is that I'm going to be more prepared in this area, in case they go into this question.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But more importantly, to focus on what you did, right, right, yeah, and then kind of put it on the scales and weigh it later and say, ok, I'm going to be more prepared in this area next time.
Speaker 1:But I did a great job connecting with them and building rapport in the beginning. Yeah, I love that. That's beautiful. I was working with my life coach just before you got here and we were kind of talking about those beliefs that we were given as children and how sometimes they can creep back in. Our inner self will say to us and we, you know our inner self will say to us something like you know you're not good enough, or whatever the thing is that came from. You know our own experiences. But to kind of just stop and say, but is it true? You know, is that true? And you just kind of have to question that inner voice a little bit to like, hey, you're not allowed to lie to me anymore, exactly, exactly. So I love that. I feel like I needed to hear that message today if it came to me twice in like a two hour span. So, thank you.
Speaker 2:I think we all need it because we can be our worst enemy Absolutely. And we can look at someone on social media and you think, oh, they're so accomplished and they're this and they're that. You know, I'm sorry folks, but social media, we utilize that to toot our horns a little, and I don't mean to say tooting the horn in a negative way, but to put out there what we do and our successes Right. So no, we're not more successful than you. Whatever woman it is, she goes through the same challenges you go through. The most important thing is what you developed when you did the small business besties. We need a tribe.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And when you have that tribe and through those events you're doing and the social media you're doing, people are organically connecting with one another. Right, and they're developing their tribe, but they're also developing their bestie that they feel confident and comfortable and to call and please do this, please do this If you're having a bad day and you want to give up. I know that you've got somebody in your life that you can call and say you know what I just feel like giving up today and I think, through your small business besties, that you're creating those teams. You know and you're providing that for women. Think that in any conceivable possible way that they are not brilliant and beautiful and the expert in the field they're passionate about. That's why you have that passion.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know you're the expert in that. That's the area you have the most knowledge in.
Speaker 1:And you don't have to know it all to be the expert. You have to know more than the person who wants to get the information from you, that's all. If you know more and you can shine that light or shed that wisdom for them, then you're the expert. So don't put so much pressure on yourself to know everything. I think I see that time and again with especially women entrepreneurs like we're like oh gosh, I need to take another continuing ed, or you know, I need to get another certification, or some more letters behind my name. It's like slow down, linda, it's okay, you know so much already, you know. Not that I think education is bad, but I think we do sometimes put too much pressure on ourselves to like, just you know, reach for the stars, you know when we're already, you know where we need to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, oh, I love talking with you. Thank you so much. This was incredible. I do want to just add I I want to always, if I, if I tell someone that you know some good thing is going on in my life or some other small business owner is impacting my life, I do like to always try to just, you know, mention their name.
Speaker 1:So a few moments ago I did mention my life coach. I just want to say my life coach is Carrie Gabrielson. She's on Instagram at Carrie G Coaching and she's incredible. She's local here in Lexington and she works with women who are kind of transitioning. So she has a lot of coaching clients that are graduating college, trying to find their career paths, and she's working with me honestly to help me with, like a journey into sobriety, and so she specializes in sobriety coaching. So I don't know why I just felt led to shout her out. If anybody else out there is looking for a live coach or need somebody who can help with either transition or with sobriety coaching, I think she's incredible and I hope you'll reach out to her.
Speaker 2:So that is so fabulous and you know that's another category that we don't understand. That exists, like. I've heard the term life coach, yeah, but I've never really officially met or had a conversation with one, and so I hope to meet her at some event sometime soon.
Speaker 1:You would love Carrie.
Speaker 1:You would love her so much she's I mean I don't know how else to describe it, except it's like having a bestie mixed in with a little bit of like counseling I can't call her a counselor because she isn't licensed or anything like that but, you know, kind of checking in with me emotionally, like how are we feeling, and then also working with me. I didn't want to go through like a 12 step program or anything like that necessarily, but I did feel like I was at a point in my life where, like, I can't not drink on my own, and I want to work on that and see what that is about. And it might not be that I'll be, you know, sober forever, but I want to see what that's about, like why is it that I compulsively drink alcohol and so? So I'm working with her on that to kind of just discover what that is, and so I think that that's what life coaches do, though, is they can help you identify, like, what is the area of your life that you're struggling with, and then let's have conversations around how can we make that better, and how can I hold you accountable to what you say you're going to do when you say that I'm going to do this this week.
Speaker 1:Did you actually do it? Yes, so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that, because that's another area we beat ourselves up in. We make all these lists and then at the end of the night, when we're laying in bed I didn't get this done and so you've already disturbed your sleep yeah, just to have somebody that holds you accountable in a loving, kind way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can tell her like, hey, I didn't get that done. You asked me to do that assignment, I didn't do it. You know, life got crazy and she's not gonna judge me or be mad at me. She's gonna say, well, what happened? Why not? And are you okay with that? Are you okay with the fact you didn't get it done, or are you feeling upset about it? So, yeah, I think I mean, if it's not, carrie, find yourself a counselor, a coach or both, you know, but having somebody in your life that is helping you to be the best version of yourself, I couldn't recommend that highly enough.
Speaker 2:So yes, yeah, no matter how many hats you wear, you know. Dual businesses, yeah, family life we all are juggling. Yes, so we need to use all the tools in the toolbox Absolutely that connections and networking and small business besties provides us. Take advantage of that, yeah, and don't feel intimidated to reach out and get whatever support or help that you need.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Well with that, pamela. Where can people reach out to you connect?
Speaker 2:with you. Well, I have one phone number for both businesses. That makes it easy. Okay, you know I've always been not the best at social media myself, but I do have a Fashionable Measures and Monarch promotion Facebook pages. I'll be happy to give you as much time as you need to answer any questions in regard to either one at 859-948-7153. Just text first, please, and that way I will be able to look at my calendar and text you back a time for our call Perfect.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll make sure to link both of the Facebook pages and then I'll have that phone number down in the show notes as well, so that people can connect with you. I know there are going to be lots of people that hear this that are like, yeah, that's what I need. So well, I hope that's the case. Anyways, it really is fantastic to work with Pamela, so I'm also going to work on trying to remember to pronounce your name correctly, since I've been pronouncing it wrong the whole time. I've known you and you were too gracious to even tell me.
Speaker 2:Everyone does it. It's just not a big deal to me.
Speaker 1:Well, I couldn't say enough nice things about you. I appreciate you taking the time to come today. It was so fun. I always enjoy our conversations, I always know they're going to be deep and meaningful in all the right ways, and I appreciate that so much about you.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you. And Michelle and I were at actually a networking event and when she realized that I had never been on a podcast, she was so kind and generous and sweet, immediately pulled out her calendar and said well, let's get that check off your list. And so I've been excited all week and again I don't have to. If you know Michelle and most of you do, because you're listening you know how super fabulous and beautiful and amazing she is and a bright star in my life. So, thank you, and thank you for your kindness for me, thank you for the business that you, for your kindness for me, thank you for the business that you provided by working with me.
Speaker 1:What else is there to say yes, nothing more to say All right, well, we'll get out of here. Thank you guys so much for listening. Please connect with Pamela as soon as you can and we will talk to you guys later. Thanks for listening. Friends, my name is Michelle Smock and I own Cultivate Accounting, a boutique accounting firm specializing in small business, and I own Small Business Bestie, where I help women entrepreneurs go from idea to launch and beyond. Check the show notes for links to my website and socials, and also please take a moment to subscribe and review. It really would mean the world to me.